gabeglick / fujoshi

gabeglick

Sat, 21 Jan 2012 15:28:37 +0000

@the_patches For all I know they've been reclaimed positively here too (though even if they have I doubt it's to nearly the same extent).

gabeglick

Sat, 21 Jan 2012 15:26:33 +0000

@the_patches Very true, and I'm not saying anyone who wants to call themselves those shouldn't be any means. I know they're different there.

the_patches

Sat, 21 Jan 2012 15:19:33 +0000

@gabeglick I hope @xMattieBrice realizes that I didn't mean it pejoratively. Chalk that one up to foot-in-mouth.

the_patches

Sat, 21 Jan 2012 15:18:21 +0000

@gabeglick It's strange because on this side of the ocean we've reclaimed them to some extent? Otaku is/was also severly pejorative in Japan

gabeglick

Sat, 21 Jan 2012 15:15:22 +0000

@the_patches I don't know, maybe as an outsider I'm reading too much into it, but it really seems like a severely pejorative term.

gabeglick

Sat, 21 Jan 2012 15:13:29 +0000

@the_patches And yeah otaku is not a flattering term either, but if "rotten" is really associated so strongly with BL fans that seems worse.

gabeglick

Sat, 21 Jan 2012 15:10:28 +0000

@the_patches And at least according to what I read today it seems to be even more widespread among popular perception than that.

the_patches

Sat, 21 Jan 2012 15:07:23 +0000

@gabeglick The association of fujoshi with BL works is akin to the association of otaku with lolicon.

the_patches

Sat, 21 Jan 2012 15:05:35 +0000

@gabeglick I think the "rotten" refers more to other factors as @carouselcarouse mentioned but you're certainly right.

gabeglick

Sat, 21 Jan 2012 12:11:44 +0000

@the_patches @maverynthia @xMattieBrice @carouselcarouse (also, after thinking it over I'm not sure homoerotic is the right term there?)

gabeglick

Sat, 21 Jan 2012 12:10:09 +0000

@the_patches @maverynthia @xMattieBrice @carouselcarouse Arguing about the history of "faggot" is one thing, but when you use an unambiguous

gabeglick

Sat, 21 Jan 2012 12:10:09 +0000

@the_patches @maverynthia @xMattieBrice @carouselcarouse character for "rotten" to describe ppl who enjoy homoerotic works, yeah… Not cool.

gabeglick

Sat, 21 Jan 2012 11:50:10 +0000

@carouselcarouse @maverynthia @the_patches @xmattiebrice which may be a big reason why young ppl care less and less about sex and marriage.

gabeglick

Sat, 21 Jan 2012 11:50:09 +0000

@carouselcarouse @maverynthia @the_patches @xmattiebrice Japan seems to have a very narrow view of acceptable relationships and marriage,

gabeglick

Sat, 21 Jan 2012 11:50:07 +0000

@carouselcarouse @maverynthia @the_patches @xmattiebrice My uneducated guess is that men who are openly fudanshi don't get married unless

gabeglick

Sat, 21 Jan 2012 11:50:07 +0000

@carouselcarouse @maverynthia @the_patches @xmattiebrice they give it up, in which case I don't think they're expected to be responsible.

carouselcarouse

Sat, 21 Jan 2012 02:32:07 +0000

@the_patches @maverynthia @gabeglick @xGalatea I won't deny I sort of enjoy the sleaze that comes with it, but not everyone would.

the_patches

Sat, 21 Jan 2012 02:31:06 +0000

@maverynthia @gabeglick @xGalatea @carouselcarouse is right, though. Those terms are pejorative despite any attempt at reclamation.

the_patches

Sat, 21 Jan 2012 02:30:27 +0000

@carouselcarouse @gabeglick @maverynthia @xGalatea Wow. This turned into quite a discussion while I was climbing!

carouselcarouse

Sat, 21 Jan 2012 02:28:52 +0000

@gabeglick @maverynthia @the_patches @xmattiebrice I assume there are still stereotypical provider responsibilities foisted on fudanshi.

carouselcarouse

Sat, 21 Jan 2012 02:28:26 +0000

@gabeglick @maverynthia @the_patches @xmattiebrice The NEET thing seems shadowy because it's more acceptable for women to be dependant.

gabeglick

Sat, 21 Jan 2012 02:27:55 +0000

@maverynthia @carouselcarouse @the_patches @xmattiebrice No idea how much overlap there is with video game otaku and/or NEETs though.

gabeglick

Sat, 21 Jan 2012 02:27:31 +0000

@maverynthia @carouselcarouse @the_patches @xmattiebrice All I know is JPWiki says they enjoy yaoi works so I'd presume that includes games.

maverynthia

Sat, 21 Jan 2012 02:13:02 +0000

@gabeglick @carouselcarouse @the_patches @xmattiebrice So do they like yaoi games too xD? I take it those guys play bishoujo games all day?

gabeglick

Sat, 21 Jan 2012 02:04:05 +0000

@carouselcarouse @maverynthia @the_patches @xgalatea True, but using "rotten" for that, even it's been reclaimed by fans, is just terrible.

carouselcarouse

Sat, 21 Jan 2012 02:01:16 +0000

@gabeglick @maverynthia @the_patches @xgalatea otaku/fujoshi/fudanshi is insulting because it suggests a failure to conform to society.

gabeglick

Sat, 21 Jan 2012 01:59:28 +0000

@carouselcarouse @maverynthia @the_patches @xgalatea Makes sense. And apparently fudanshi refers to male yaoi fans. Why is that rotten? >:(

carouselcarouse

Sat, 21 Jan 2012 01:56:45 +0000

@gabeglick @maverynthia @the_patches @xgalatea It certainly does go both ways, though fujoshi was in common use before fudanshi.

gabeglick

Sat, 21 Jan 2012 01:56:10 +0000

@maverynthia @carouselcarouse @the_patches @xgalatea Although interestingly enough it also says there's a male equivalent, fudanshi (腐男子).

gabeglick

Sat, 21 Jan 2012 01:55:12 +0000

@maverynthia @the_patches @xgalatea @carouselcarouse seems to know much better than I do. All I know is JP Wikipedia says they're yaoi fans.

maverynthia

Sat, 21 Jan 2012 00:16:51 +0000

@carouselcarouse @the_patches @xGalatea @gabeglick True, but any kind of man is marriable >.<

carouselcarouse

Sat, 21 Jan 2012 00:14:25 +0000

@maverynthia @the_patches @xGalatea @gabeglick I was under the impression that the rotten implies to women no guy would want to marry.

carouselcarouse

Sat, 21 Jan 2012 00:13:59 +0000

@maverynthia @the_patches @xGalatea @gabeglick otaku, basically I mean, they're comparable only there's a sexist connotation in 'rotten'.

maverynthia

Sat, 21 Jan 2012 00:11:00 +0000

@carouselcarouse @the_patches @xGalatea @gabeglick Do men get such a branding? Or is it just "otaku"?

carouselcarouse

Fri, 20 Jan 2012 23:47:46 +0000

@maverynthia @the_patches @xGalatea @gabeglick The point is an obsession (sexual or otherwise) and the insinuation of having no life.

carouselcarouse

Fri, 20 Jan 2012 23:47:08 +0000

@maverynthia @the_patches @xGalatea @gabeglick Fujoshi can also refer to otaku interested in other things; trains, weapons, old guys etc.

maverynthia

Fri, 20 Jan 2012 22:16:33 +0000

@the_patches @xGalatea @carouselcarouse might @gabeglick also know, he posts articles about that stuff. :3

the_patches

Fri, 20 Jan 2012 21:41:41 +0000

@maverynthia @xGalatea It's a broad definition? I'd ask @carouselcarouse for a more accurate taxonomy.

maverynthia

Fri, 20 Jan 2012 21:40:48 +0000

@the_patches @xGalatea I also thought it applied to those women that go out to buy the latest non-BL otome game too?

the_patches

Fri, 20 Jan 2012 17:37:51 +0000

@xGalatea Translated it means "rotten girl", but it refers loosely to rapacious B/L shippers and yaoi fangirls.

xMattieBrice

Fri, 20 Jan 2012 17:36:32 +0000

@the_patches And what does that mean? :P

the_patches

Fri, 20 Jan 2012 17:36:13 +0000

@xGalatea In the anime community, I believe we would call you "fujoshi".

xMattieBrice

Fri, 20 Jan 2012 17:31:31 +0000

Mattie Brice: Queering the hell out of everything.